> I think of the Wisp628 as being on the high end of hobby > programmers. As > you said, the lines are blurry. Mostly I say that because it > has it's own > controller, and is therefore much closer to "just works" > operation than > kludge programmers. I think even the hobby world is shifting away from serial-port-abusing programmers, both because they prove not-always-reliable and because the ports are slowly disapperaing. To I think the Wisp628 and the likes will in time be the low-end (hobby?) programmers. > I am actually surprised you do make a > profit from it. > Have you truly accounted for all your time, not just parts? The design has not changed for years, and was almost complete before I started as a business, so maybe I did not calculate enough time into the equation. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist