Wouter van Ooijen wrote: > How would you classify my Wisp628? I certainly do make a > profit on these things, I think of the Wisp628 as being on the high end of hobby programmers. As you said, the lines are blurry. Mostly I say that because it has it's own controller, and is therefore much closer to "just works" operation than kludge programmers. I am actually surprised you do make a profit from it. Have you truly accounted for all your time, not just parts? If so, then I'm wrong and it is possible to provide a commercial hobby programmer profitably. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist