> The point is I don't think there is a way that a for-profit commercial > venture can provide a hobbyist programmer. This is why you only see hobby > programmers out there produced by other hobbyists. I am not sure those boundaries are realy sharp, just as the boundaries between hobbyist and professional are blurring (even when you apply the (IMHO only correct) definition 'a professional earns his living doing that work'). How would you classify my Wisp628? I certainly do make a profit on these things, and I do earn (half of) a living selling stuff. Also note that at least one customer bought a bunch (~ 32) Wisp628's to build a production rig. This was some years ago, the last message from him was that he had succeeded and the rig was shipped to the far east for production work. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist