I'm famous [[but only a tiny bit]]. I'd actually recommend that people give this a glance. Even AJT (you know who you are :-) ) may find some of this of interest (or even value). [AJT advice: Look at the referenced page but not my comments below (except, maybe, the last 3 lines) :-) ] Here is a most impressive list of "creeds, codes and commandments" ranging from the wholly humorous to the deadly serious and / or quite useful. http://www.rdrop.com/~cary/html/creed.html Includes: Promises of a promise keeper / code of chivalry / scout law/ Esper's pledge / The expert game equation / US Oath of allegiance and much much much more. There's some really good stuff here, and no doubt some really funny stuff and some really silly stuff as well. Right near the bottom of the 70 + screens (not counting the many pages linked to) it says: "The more advanced the technology the heavier and more dense the hammer required. ... for ... percussive maintenance" Russell McMahon 2004-01-04 Hey - someone is quoting me as an authority on something :-). I wondered what I'd REALLY said. Gargoyles ... aha. That's a summary and is OK as far as it goes. Verbatim: "The more advanced the technology the heavier and more dense the hammer required. An upper limit, set by the laws of Physics, is expected to be reached when Neutronium* no longer fills the bill." I also derived how long it would be before Neutronium hammers were no longer massive enough for typical daily tasks and we'd need something better. [[I came up with about 88 years but a quick recheck gives about 82 years. Either way we're going to need something better by about the end of this century. What I actually said, fwiw http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/piclist/31774/1 The occasional "3D" symbol pair is some sort of processing add in that shouldn't be there at all. What a Promise keeper promises. http://www.rdrop.com/~cary/html/creed.html#promise_keeper Undoubtedly a more useful citation than my one :-) Russell:: -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist