I don't see the contradiction. I said I couldn't see them disappearing. Not the they would remain prevalent. I think it will take at least another hw generation for USB to replace them in industrial and legacy applications. The software and hardware requirements in a lot of these applications are pretty static. One major controls company only recently transitioned off of OS/2 on the PC controllers. And in that case it wasn't because it couldn't do the job, but because of IBM's dropping of support. It's like that, until legacy ports are dropped by the applications using them in these applications, people will continue to use them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerhard Fiedler" To: piclist@mit.edu Subject: Re: [PIC] Why the preoccupation with bus powered programmers? Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 08:24:33 -0200 tachyon_1@email.com wrote: > As for PAR/SER dissappearing, I highly doubt it. It might be going away > on the kind of crap I won't buy anyway (ie DELL, eMachines, etc. > consumer desktops) but there's no way in heck they'll get rid of it > anytime soon. There's just way too much demand from business customers > with legacy connectivity needs. Especially in industrial, manufacturing, > and production companies. In fact a friend of mine makes a nice living > selling add on PCI PAR/SER boards to make up the demand for customers > who require them. The second part of this paragraph seems to contradict the first part. If people make a nice living selling parallel/serial add-on boards, that's probably at least partly because these ports are going away in the normal computer systems. When there's only 10% of customers left that wants/needs them, you're starting to find more and more motherboards (including good ones) that don't have them anymore. And more and more of the people who need them will use add-ons (PCI, USB). Which makes sense to me, even though that makes these ports more expensive. Gerhard -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist