How hard would it be to convert the Wisp628 to self power (eg. the infamous wall-wart)? Also, do you have more detail on the circuit listed on the WIsp28 page referring to using a game connector to make an external board? I'd like to do something similar, make an external board with a ZIF and a header to connect to the ICSP from the WISP628. This board could also have the power connector. I also thought you could easily put a row of pin headers on either side of the ZIF, you could use jumper wires from the ICSP header to setup any pin configuration for any PIC in the socket. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter van Ooijen" To: "'Microcontroller discussion list - Public.'" Subject: RE: [PIC] Why the preoccupation with bus powered programmers? Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:16:01 +0100 > I apologize that I keep thinking of this list as having mostly a > hobbyist audience. Which I'm seeing not to be true. Only half true. But with those 'refined' requirements you could check Wisp628. No ZIF and no pin switching, but good for ICSP of 7805-powered targets. And do consider a pickit2, even if you have to buy it. And check a few ICD2 clones (there are a lot of simplified ICD2 designs around - but be aware that such simplifications also limit the features). Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist