> I apologize that I keep thinking of this list as having mostly a > hobbyist audience. Which I'm seeing not to be true. Only half true. But with those 'refined' requirements you could check Wisp628. No ZIF and no pin switching, but good for ICSP of 7805-powered targets. And do consider a pickit2, even if you have to buy it. And check a few ICD2 clones (there are a lot of simplified ICD2 designs around - but be aware that such simplifications also limit the features). Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist