> theres my picsquirt http://www.p10link.net/plugwash/picsquirt > you won't get a USB programmer design much simpler than this, > main downside is that i only ever got arround to writing software/firmware > for the 18 series (i did do both first gen and second gen 18 series though). IIRC worts-case USB voltage can be too low to power the pic-under-programming directly. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist