Redwood Shores, 27 november 2006. I built it using the instructions of Randy at Glitchbuster, and it works very well. I've tried it with a number of parallel ports (also those of laptops: the board has its own power supply) and there were no problems (I know older versions seem to have had problems occasionally, but not that version). It is a bit expensive in total, though. I'm not sure if you can use a single 40-pin ZIF socket. I almost always used 18-pin parts. Avoid using the software from Myke Predko, and switch to a "standard" program. There are free packages under both linux and windows that support this El-Cheapo, and those will allow you to program a wider array of parts (I did program the 16F88 once, but that might have been a fluke, given that people on this list claim it is impossible). The 16F628A and 16F877A will not program with the El Cheapo, their non-A counterparts will, though. The suggestion to change it to do ICSP is a good one, nowadays that is how I program most of my PICs. All that said, I disagree with people that say it is a programmer made for the trashcan (it can program a large number of older parts that more modern programmers can't) but it might be wise to check out other programmers as well. From the El Cheapo I switched to a JDM programmer (which worked well, as I had a compliant serial port) and from there I switched to the PicKit 2, which currently does everything I want a programmer to do. Greetings, Maarten Hofman. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist