Have been testing the Dip Trace package http://www.diptrace.com/ The free version has the following limitations All programs and all libraries. Freeware edition does not support export to DXF, Gerber and N/C Drill, maximum number of pins - 250. The upgrade path is cheaper than eagle. _______________________________________ Roy Hopkins 22 Grenada Street Tauranga New Zealand 3116 _______________________________________ -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist