> > Robert Young wrote: > > One thing to keep in mind about such searches, many of > these companies > > talk amongst themselves and there are a few "master" > databases (over > > simplified but close enough) and the more traffic some of them see > > concerning a particular part number, the higher the price > will become > > when you finally locate the quantity you need. > > What is the source of this information? Is it based on your personal > observations? > > Cartels are, by their nature, unstable organizations. With > such a huge > variety of products, and the large number of players, I'd > have to say that > it's very unlikely that they exist (to any significant extent) in the > surplus parts industry. > I have personally observed the price shift. Got some low-ball bids on the part price but when I asked for a total to prepare the purchase order they started to fuss and wouldn't be exact. Needed the parts so just went ahead and ordered. Bill came in such that I could have paid easily 30% more for the parts alone and still been under their total with fees and shipping. In other cases I've had exorbitant shipping charges, much more than 5 times actual cost. I can understand 2x shipping cost to cover time and materials but 5x is a bit much. Another example (and I wish I could provide you with the web site where I did this) I used a locating service's web page to locate stock on an obsolete part. The page it popped up was a list of companies from which I could buy the part, their estimated inventory and a contact # or page. Weird thing was that many of the companies were listing the SAME quantity available. I knew what the tube quantity was and it wasn't an even number of full tubes. Just an oddball quantity, like you would expect from left over inventory. Turns out these were brokers quoting through their own web pages from the same recovery company in Taiwan. It was spooky. As to the companies talking among themselves, this does happen. Some companies focus on small quantities while others are simply brokering deals between other brokers (B2B sales). Thus you get some fooling around with the prices based on perceived demand. The term "master database" is a bit misleading and I can't really provide a better description but does convey the concept of shared information. At any rate, it boils down to how badly you need to parts, how many you need and when you need them as to what you are going to be willing to pay. When you need the parts, you need the parts. Rob -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist