Spehro Pefhany wrote: > Liquids are a subset of fluids. Gases are also fluids. In any case, it seems to me that the general distinction between solids and liquids is pretty arbitrary, depending more on a "more or less" (viscose) than a difference in quality. When you look at the pitch drop experiment http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/pitchdrop/mainstone.html and compare that to this phrase from http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C01/C01Links/www.ualberta.ca/~bderksen/florin.html: "The prolonged survival of this legend, chiefly among English speakers (and particularly among North Americans) is puzzling -- especially when one considers that glass and glassy materials are readily available, and one can easily verify if one can pour a gallon of glass, or drain a pint of obsidian." I can't but wonder... you can't "pour a gallon" of pitch, but it still drops. Is a material that drops a solid? :) Then, on that same page, you see this definition by the ASTM: "A material that flows a total of 2 in (50 mm) or less within 3 min is considered a solid. Otherwise it is considered a liquid." Key is here "a material that flows ... is considered a solid." That's not the everyday, common definition of "solid" :) 50 mm in 3 min is not too slow, either -- with some patience you can /see/ it flowing. I'm pretty sure that not many outside the ASTM would consider such a material "solid". Whether one puts the dividing line between solids and liquids at 50 mm in 3 min or at 10 mm in 1 year or pretty much anywhere else seems only arbitrary. Gerhard -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist