> I have noticed that the PIC12F and PIC16F don't bog down if > the PGC or PGD pins drive the next stages thru a 22K resistor. That hs nothing to do with PIC12F and PIC16F, but everything with the way the programmer drives these lines. An ICSP programmer will drive these lines 'harder' and will probably get by with a much lower resistor value. A PICStart+ might need these or even higher values. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist