> As I understand it, I'll need to use ICSP (or buy a very > expensive clip). In my reading about ICSP, it sounds like I > should avoid reusing the programming pins in my circuit, but > on a 6-pin chip, this isn't an option. Am I even on the > right track, and can I do ICSP with my picstart plus? If so, > is there a primer I could read to get started? You can do ICSP with a PS+ (some people do so), but it was not designed for it. I would choose a programer designed for ICSP, like ICD2, PICkit2 or one of Olins programmers. Avoiding the ICSP pins for other use will certainly result in working ICSP, but the pins can be used in certain ways. Olin has a page about ICSP. Alternatively you might solder the PIC and a few components that don't hinder ICSP, then do the ICSP, then solder the remaining components. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist