So far all my pic programming experience has been with my Picstart Plus and DIP chips. I'd like to do a project that has to fit in a tiny space and the 10f sounds perfect. As I understand it, I'll need to use ICSP (or buy a very expensive clip). In my reading about ICSP, it sounds like I should avoid reusing the programming pins in my circuit, but on a 6-pin chip, this isn't an option. Am I even on the right track, and can I do ICSP with my picstart plus? If so, is there a primer I could read to get started? Thanks, Jason -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist