This ain't rocketry as we know it, Jim, but hopefully touches on enough pertinent matters to be worthy of Arocket's hallowed ground. PICList is more eclectic and this is entirely appropriate for [EE] (everything engineering). In my youth and earlier years I looked forward to the day when we would have Flash Gordon Rocket Ships, Dick Tracey / Napoleon Solo Communicators, Personal portable Computers (Xerox promised the Dynabook in 1973 and I now have numerous devices that exceed their wildest hopes)), worldwide fully linked computer networks, and flying cars. All but one of these have arrived, albeit not always as anticipated*, or are well under action (thanks John!). BUT !!! "Where are the flying cars? They promised me flying cars !!!!" Here's another wannabee contender - the PAL-V Home page at http://www.pal-v.com/ BUT much better information and discussion at sparkdesign, who appear to be their conceptual / graphics designers. Performance claims appear enthusiastic. http://www.sparkdesign.nl/actueel/20041013palv/20041013press.html The concept appears entirely feasible but it will never be a contender for the 'aircar for the masses' market. Basically it's an integrated Carver style trike/motorcycle (leans into corners like all good cars should) and an autogyro. Weight is under 600 kg, to meet regulatory requirements for the class of craft they are aiming at. Odds are they'd have as much difficulty getting US approval for road use as air use. Looks like having more chance than some to actually make it BUT despite testimonials suggesting that real product exists there is nothing at all on the site to suggest this is true. (There's a quote attributed to Jeremy Clarkson but I suspect this may be about a Carver style motorcycle-car thingy and not a PAL-V. I'd say it was almost totally dream/vapour ware, but entirely capable of realisation with suitable funding. Whether it could ever be profitable is another matter. The dream http://www.pal-v.com/ The US air certification category they quote seems suspect to me as it seems to cease to be appropriate as soon as / if it gets approved in any other jurisdiction. http://www.pal-v.com/index2.php?page=license http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air%5Fcert/airworthiness%5Fcertification/sp%5Fawcert/light%5Fsport/ The paragraph below mentions use of autogyros in the 1930's to carry mail to and from the rooftop of the Philadelphia postal centre. Interestingly, as of 2004 98 year old Johny Miller, the test pilot for the company who made these machines and the last man to fly an autogyro off the Philadelphia rooftop, was still alive and still flying . He owned and flew a Jenny JN-4 in 1923 at age 17, was a test pilot for Grumman Amphibian and an airline pilot of everything up to DC8's and 707's (The 747's of their day).. If he's still at it now he'll be 100. ************* See page 7 of ************ Well worth reading in its own right. http://www.aeroclubpa.org/papilot/issues/AeroSummer04.pdf ______________________________________________ * I used to tell people that Dick Tracey communicators were not possible due to power and aerial considerations. Cell sites and LEO constellations fixed that. ________________ The autogiro is a rotary-winged aircraft with a freely rotating main rotor. Like helicopters, autogiros were capable of taking off and landing in shorter spaces than standard aircraft. The first successful autogiro flight was made by Juan de la Cierva in Madrid, Spain on June 9, 1923. In the U.S., W. Wallace Kellett, founder and president of the Kellett Aircraft Corporation (1929), built the first autogiro used by the U.S. Postal Service. The craft carried the mail between the Camden, New Jersey airport and the roof of the Philadelphia, Pennsylvania post office. The service speeded up mail delivery considerably, moving some local mail from overnight to same day service. http://www.postalmuseum.si.edu/airmail/historicplanes/unusual/historicplanes_unusual_autogyros_long.html Ironically, Cierva was killed in a fixed wing aircraft crash. Russell:: -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist