> > You need to put a load on the 12V rail, it won't start up > otherwise. > > > > A lot of people put a 10W resistor across it so it draws a > half amp or so. > > A light bulb works too. Occasionally I'll just plug in a old > hard drive. > > Sorry, I didn't make it clear that the rest of the PC is still > there and connected to the PSU, so there is plenty of load on > all the power lines. Ah, that's a bit different. I though you just had a PSU lying about on the bench. This won't help you much, but I tried this with a PSU, and got zero volts on both the 5 & 12v rails. The 5v standby is only on the 20 pin plug, it's the purple wire. I tried just plugging it in, then powered it up, and back off without a load. I tried it again with a load (hard drive) and got the same results. Maybe you have 2 duds? Mine was just you usual no-name generic. Tony (sometimes they'll power up without a load, but don't regulate properly without a load.) -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist