Paul, On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 03:31:21 -0500, Paul Anderson wrote: > Hope I have this categorized right:) If not, do let me know. I have > the Olimex PG4 board, with a PIC16F84A. I'm aware that the olimex > board uses the serial port for power, and it will not work with a USB > to serial adapter. Unfortunately, I don't have a serial port on this > computer. Is it possible to power the olimex board off of a 9v > adapter while programming? Or can that only be used while the chip is > running? Looking at the circuit diagram: http://www.olimex.com/dev/images/pic-pg4d-sch.gif it seems to be using pin 3 of the "PGM" socket to supply the 13V programming voltage, so as far as I can see you'll need to supply this yourself. There is no way it can generate the programming voltage on the board - there's just no circuitry to do so, unless I've missed something! :-) Now unless I've forgotten all I know about RS232 on a DB9 connector, pin 3 is RXD (receive data), and the actual programming is using control signals for the data and clock. No wonder it won't work with a USB converter! I think you'll be very lucky to get it to work even if you do supply the programming voltage, unless anyone knows different? Cheers, Howard Winter St.Albans, England -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist