Hi Paul, Paul Anderson wrote: > Hope I have this categorized right:) If not, do let me know. I have > the Olimex PG4 board, with a PIC16F84A. I'm aware that the olimex > board uses the serial port for power, and it will not work with a USB > to serial adapter. I'm not familiar with this programmer, but I suppose it takes its power from the DTR and/or RTS pins. If you can use it with your specific USB-serial converter depends on: - can it control RTS and/or DTR at the serial connector - does it supply enough current for the programmer - does your PC software control RTS and/or DTR I have a USB-serial converter with support for DTR and RTS and have used it successfully with a PIC programmer which takes (a little) power from the RTS pin to control some opto couplers. Regards, Rob. -- Rob Hamerling, Vianen, NL (http://www.robh.nl/) -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist