>What do I need to run these on either 12VDC or something similar >in AC ? Has to be low voltage I made an inverter to run a fluorescent tube off 12V once. I used a ringing choke inverter with a single transistor and winding feedback. The voltage from the OC secondary is high enough to start the gas discharge, then the inductance of the secondary limits the current flow. The one I built didn't have any calculations done to check these, with the result that the tube eventually goes black at the ends around the electrodes, so I suspect it is probably being somewhat overdriven. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist