> That said, the RJ12 chosen for the ICD2 was a matter of trade offs (as > almost every engineering decision is). A "standard keyed header" is MUCH > larger footprint wise on a PCB then the RJ12. Also, the cables are more > expensive to make. It does have the longevity element, and is more > hobbyist friendly. They made the choice to use the RJ12, and that's > done. According to the pictures posted earlier of the ICD2, the board does in fact have a provision for a 6p header. To what cables are you referring when you say more expensive? There are a plethora of choices that could have been persued with regard to cable style. Personally, I would have gone with the 6p 3x2 .1" header and a "3m" style plug-in keyed connector as were used on the IDE interface of hard disk drives. Of the two choices, I would have probably chosen the keyed header since > PCB space during development isn't much a concern. Longevity also isn't > much of a concern for me since I don't regularly plug and unplug boards > from the ICD2. A project is plugged into the ICD2 until it works to the > point I can move to the next project, so it can be weeks before the ICD2 > is moved to another board. However, in my opinion, calling the keyed > header a "much better choice" is not true, both options have their > benefits. That was my opinion and was stated as such. Opinions are not fact and accordingly can't be considered true or false. Perhaps I should have made an argument about the quality of the connector instead of the design of the connector. I have had my ICD2 for only a few weeks and already the 6p connector does not maintain a quality connection to the cables I have. That's my basis for declaring the 6p connector on the ICD2 as "ridiculous" and a poor choice. In the beginning I was in favor of the RJ-11/12 style connector, but seeing as how it no longer works reliably I fail to see the benefit of the design choice. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ridiculous&db=* -- Shawn Wilton (b9 Systems) http://b9Systems.com <- New web page -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist