> > What's an IDC i presume that was a typo for ICD > and why does an RJ12 suck for the target side? for breadboards, stripboard etc its a horrible pin layout, for production boards its a bit big (smaller than say a molex or sub-d but much bigger than some surface mount connectors) and depending on the boards purpose possiblly confusing (connecting a debugging port to a phone line would be *BAD*. > I would > guess it is mated/demated less on the target side, so less chance of > problems there. provided you use the right connectors for the cable type (make sure you check manufacturers data sheets and if they don't say if they are for solid or stranded avoid them) i've found the things to be very reliable. unfortunaly microchip also screwed up the pinout which causes problems with the DSPICs (iirc the faster transition time on the dspic data output causes glitches to be coupled accross to the clock line) -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist