> So you probly don't want a gizmo that needs turf dug up or > dangles loops or is fiddly to align IMHonestO, a laser is the least problematic solution. It won't get dirty, is cheap, reliable, and not really that much of a chore to set up. The beam is quite plainly visible on the target so it's easily aligned. The detection process is very simple. Although people will be sensed, their passage across the beam is of much shorter duration than a vehicle and can be ignored / filtered out If the beam can also be modulated, that makes it (almost) totally immune to ambient perturbations, especially with a specific colour filter over the target sensor -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist