On 10/11/06, Wouter van Ooijen wrote: > > In the last two days, a potential client has requested > > something unusual. He > > asked if there is a way to include the PIC programmer INSIDE > > the product PCB. > > Not that unusual at all. > > > Of course the bootloader came to mind, but PICs don't have an > > internal > > bootloader, > > so the "bootloader code" have to be programmed in anyway; so his > > suggestion overrides the input. > > I don't understand that, but if you have a good reason to exclude > bootloaders so be it. > > > use the FT232R with pins arranged in bit-bang mode. > > Sounds good. If you use an LVP PIC you would not need a Vpp generator. LVP is not a good choice in this application he's talking about. FT232 in bitbang with a lot of software is the only way, I've tried with VCP drivers under windows with popular programmer software already made and is not working, of course. Vasile -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist