> In the last two days, a potential client has requested > something unusual. He > asked if there is a way to include the PIC programmer INSIDE > the product PCB. Not that unusual at all. > Of course the bootloader came to mind, but PICs don't have an > internal > bootloader, > so the "bootloader code" have to be programmed in anyway; so his > suggestion overrides the input. I don't understand that, but if you have a good reason to exclude bootloaders so be it. > use the FT232R with pins arranged in bit-bang mode. Sounds good. If you use an LVP PIC you would not need a Vpp generator. Or include a second PIC to do the work (embedded Wisp628/esayprog/pickit2/...) Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist