Gerhard Fiedler wrote: > I don't think there is anything about ruling > (or living in a community) that is related to > being an engineer or not. Different mindset makes an engineer different to politician, lawyer, bandit or whatever this kind. Engineer's professional world is of strict rules, specs etc. There is no much sense to cheat those rules or specs; in fact, following those rules and specs makes a good engineer. There real life world rules a set by some ideology, say, Christianity, Marx theory or whatever. Those two engineer's worlds are different "by design". That's two absolutely different experiences. Politicians, lawyers, bandits or whatever this kind live in professional world with vague rules, those rules could hardly be called "rules" from engineer's point of view. Rather they could be called dynamic agreements to achieve a goal. The point is that their professional world coincides with "real life world". So they need no ideology at all. Their professional rules are their ideology. So, they are "professionals" of the real life world, and engineers are hobbyist of the world. Hobbyist can't rule professionals within their professional scope. Trying to do so, say, to set workers to rule the world would lead to destroying the existing system, chaos and, since there is no system, the wildest and bloodiest bastards would win to rule. Ideally, in my opinion, would be if a politician wild be raised up on a sound ideology bases (say, Christianity) then would master his dirty professional skills while maintaining in healthy condition his internal Christianity frameset; hard to survive this way, though. Regards, MS. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist