HOLY HAM NUTS. I don't know why, but my ICD just all of the sudden recognized my 12f675. I doubt it will last long, but WOW. and it's programming! Just wish I knew which prayer it was that fixed it! -- Shawn Wilton (b9 Systems) http://b9Systems.com <- New web page -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist