In the OT spirit, and just for fun (and to waste away some time...), here's a little challenge that will exercise your mind. Pretend there is a "Grandfather" clock (standard clock face, no second hand). There is a piece of string tied from the end of the hour hand to the end of the minute hand. The length of this string is greater than the sum of the hour and minute hand lengths. Suspended from this string, on a pulley, is a weight. This weight can move freely along the string and will need to as the time changes on the clock face. Given that: the length of the String is 's' (not counting the string required to tie the actual knots) the length of the hour hand is 'h' the length of the minute hand is 'm' s >= h + m the co-ordinate system will be an x-y system in the same units as the various lengths above, with the origin centered on the center of the clock face. the pulley that the weight hangs from is assumed to have *no* diameter. what will be the position (x,y) of the *pulley* at time 't' on the clock. Rolf. P.S. No prize, but I am scurrying off to remember how to solve this one..... ;-) -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist