Found it! See http://www.active-robots.com/products/accessories/schmart-board.shtml they have support for 64 TQFP, and also a very "creative" 0.5mm 36-100 TQFP, see http://www.active-robots.com/products/accessories/schmart-board/202-0010-02.jpg with some EZ technology that claim to be good for hand soldering, see included pdf in that page it apparently helps to perfectly locate the chip. So perfect for 80 pin PIC and dsPIC IMHO. It is an expensive vendor, but at least there is some option (before we get a better one from Wouter ;-) -- Ariel Rocholl Madrid, Spain -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist