Juan:
I have not heard from you for a long time.  It is good to see that you have 
not lost your sober view of reality.

Regards
Rich
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Juan Garofalo" <animacion3d@hotpop.com>
To: <piclist@mit.edu>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] If engineers ruled the world...


>
>
>
> Gerhard said :
>
>>- What is the "reality" that any price should reflect?
>
>        A price is "real" when it reflects an agreement between traders. If
> a price is controled (price fixing, inflation, taxes, etc) it's not real.
>
>        If 30% of the price of gas is taxes, the the real price of gas is
> 30% lower...
>
>>- What are "'green' leftie regulations"?
>
>        the ones that ban oil refineries in the States, for instance. The
> ones that ban lead in electronic components...you get the picture I hope ?
>
>>- If whatever they want suits them, and they are so many that this makes a
>>difference, what is wrong with that?
>
>        Perhaps you should look up 'mob rule' ? What 'difference' are you
> alluding to, btw ?
>
>>I simply don't think I get compensated enough for the negative effects 
>>that
>>burning oil by others has on me.
>
>        That's what makes you a green. Now, if you also believe that the
> govt. must fix the price of the compensation you fancy you deserve, that
> makes you a leftie. There you are : a green leftie.
>
>        The point is, some people are willing to use force, i. e. send the
> lawyers and cops, against people who don't share their religious beliefs.
> This is not new. In this case the non-believers of the green religion of
> global warming, peak oil, the lead threat, should be 'educated', taxed and
> shoot if they don't comply.
>
>
>>Start talking about what you really mean with "production of energy".
>
>        The oil in 'your' commons is only sitting there. It's useless 
> unless
> it's extracted and refined. That's what I mean by production of energy. If
> there's oil in your backyard you can extract it and sell it...or not, as 
> you
> please. If you don't, and your neighbour does, then you can't complain 
> that
> he's stealing 'your' oil. This would be the solution based on private
> property. Of course people can quarrel in this scenario. We always can.
>
>
> J.
>
>
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