Gerhard said : >- What is the "reality" that any price should reflect? A price is "real" when it reflects an agreement between traders. If a price is controled (price fixing, inflation, taxes, etc) it's not real. If 30% of the price of gas is taxes, the the real price of gas is 30% lower... >- What are "'green' leftie regulations"? the ones that ban oil refineries in the States, for instance. The ones that ban lead in electronic components...you get the picture I hope ? >- If whatever they want suits them, and they are so many that this makes a >difference, what is wrong with that? Perhaps you should look up 'mob rule' ? What 'difference' are you alluding to, btw ? >I simply don't think I get compensated enough for the negative effects that >burning oil by others has on me. That's what makes you a green. Now, if you also believe that the govt. must fix the price of the compensation you fancy you deserve, that makes you a leftie. There you are : a green leftie. The point is, some people are willing to use force, i. e. send the lawyers and cops, against people who don't share their religious beliefs. This is not new. In this case the non-believers of the green religion of global warming, peak oil, the lead threat, should be 'educated', taxed and shoot if they don't comply. >Start talking about what you really mean with "production of energy". The oil in 'your' commons is only sitting there. It's useless unless it's extracted and refined. That's what I mean by production of energy. If there's oil in your backyard you can extract it and sell it...or not, as you please. If you don't, and your neighbour does, then you can't complain that he's stealing 'your' oil. This would be the solution based on private property. Of course people can quarrel in this scenario. We always can. J. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist