I am looking at the PIC is some projects I have in mind. First my background. I worked in embedded development from the late 70s to just a few years ago, along the line building projects around the 6800, 6802, 6502, 8085, 8048, 8051, 8086, 80186, 80286, 80386EX, 68000, 68020, TMS320C30, TMS32C25, i860, i960, and several others I have forgotten using assembly, PL/M, C, C++, Ada, Forth, etc in projects ranging from OCR, keyboards, base wide alarms, pilotless drones, rubber m irrors, satellite modems, satellite passengers, and others. I am now retired from all that and have a couple of projects in mind. Currently I am deciding between the PIC and some 8051 Variant. What would be a good start up lab? I would need a C cross compiler, downloader, and programmer. An important factor is cheap, I am retired but no pension for me, strictly savings. Don Bowen Awl Knotted Up KI6DIU http://www.braingarage.com My travel journal http://www.braingarage.com/Dons/Travels/journal/Journal.html I am omnivagant. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist