> Try this question on a hacker site, we are legitimate :-) Legitimate, indeed. Utterly brain dead and follow the leader just because the leader demands to be followed, no. Such things involve legality, morality and ethics. It may be that the DRM originator has legality on his side in this instance, but that is not necessarily the case. A person selling an IP product can "protect" it in any way they see fit. They may, for instance, choose to protect it by only ever providing blank CDs or empty files and never letting the actual IP out of their control at any time. This is called theft. What Vitaliy is experiencing is somewhere on the continuum between unfettered access and theft. And it's closer to theft than unfettered access. Clearly nobody would tolerate buying blank media in order that the seller can maximally protect their rights. some may accept restrictions as severe as Vitaliy is experiencing, but many will not. It is not necessarily true that the legitimate buyer of the IP rights is legally compelled to observe the letter of what the vendor desires. And morally and ethically it may well be that the buyer is justified in trying to do things that the seller did not intend. Which seems fairly clearly to be the case in this instance. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist