> I really hope this is real, but it just seems to be too good to be true. As do I, but the whole thing kind of smacks of a cartoon character sitting in a sailboat with an electric fan pointed at the sail. The question of forces on the sloped edges of the conical chamber is a good one, but that may only be valid from a Newtonian physics standpoint. As far as Newtonian physics is concerned, this whole idea is bunk. Einstein may have something more to say about the subject, however. Mike H. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist