I: >> Fiat money is a fraud Gerhard : >I suspect you're talking about money that's not based on gold. Almost. I'm talking about "comodity money" as opposed to "fiat money". Yes, gold used as money is a comodity money. Other comodites could be used, but gold is the more convenient. >> 2) The production of energy [...] >Now I would like to see this "production of energy" happening -- that could >be the end of our problems :) Very funny. But of course the joke does not address my point. Do you call that 'changing the subject' perhaps ? >> Economics is not an engineering problem. >Not necessarily, depends on the approach. But applying logic doesn't hurt >either :) I'll take that as a hint that I'm not using logic ? To recap : The enviromentalist, green engineer asserts that oil is too cheap and that it 'should' (morals!) be more expensive. What this means is that the preference (higher energy prices) of a few should be forced upon the many. I call that authoritarianism. Anybody talking about prices must of course use logic. So the first logical step is to take a closer look at the tool used to measure prices. That tool is money. I'll let you come up with a logical analysis of money. I do hope you realize that fiat money is not logical, that fiat money is a wrong premise, and that conculsions based on a wrong premise are invalid. But perhaps that would be too much logic...and won't suit green feelings... J. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist