It seems to me that some PICkit 2 users are having problems getting PICKit 2 as a debugger with the new debug express 44-pin 16F917 demo board. I just put some running logs in the following thread. http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=190153 PICkit 2 debugger is not fast but you can not beat the price. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist