Juan Garofalo wrote: > Sorry. Energy prices do not reflect reality [...] What is the "reality" that any price should reflect? What/who determines whether any price is real? > Fiat money is a fraud I suspect you're talking about money that's not based on gold. Now if energy prices don't reflect that claimed but still obscure "reality", how come that a gold price, derived through the same mechanisms, would reflect any more "reality"? > 2) The production of energy [...] Now I would like to see this "production of energy" happening -- that could be the end of our problems :) > [...] is being hampered to suit 'green' leftie regulations...and 'green' > voters. What are "'green' leftie regulations"? And what are "'green' voters"? How do they hamper the claimed "production of energy"? If whatever they want suits them, and they are so many that this makes a difference, what is wrong with that? > 4) Oil sources are nationalized (communism). They are naturally nationalized, just like water sources and most other liquid resources. It is technically very difficult and sometimes impossible to retrieve oil/water/etc only from within the limits of your own property. If you drill down on your property and extract a liquid, you extract that liquid also from below my property. Unless you regard such a resource as "common" (a more correct term than "communism") and set up some regulations that you in fact may take liquid from under my property, you practically can't extract at all, because I might not want to let you extract oil from under my property. One single owner of a property on an oil field who doesn't want to sell "his" oil could prevent extraction of the whole oil field. That's why such resources are naturally "common" -- they are not divisible. Still don't want "common" oil fields? > So the price of energy is daylight robery. In a REAL free-market energy > would be WAY cheaper. No. It would be way more expensive, as you would have to pay the owners of the resource. Right now, you get this all for free, because it is considered "common". > Economics is not an engineering problem. Not necessarily, depends on the approach. But applying logic doesn't hurt either :) Gerhard -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist