I built up some 80 pin tqfp adapters that I think allowed for thru-hole or SMT decoupling caps and a crystal. I think I may have made a provision for ICD2 but I don't recall. I think I've got between 500-1000 left right now. I can let them go at cost. They take 20 .1 inch on four sides. I think most are bare board although I probably have the 20 pin headers/sockets here too. IIRC, the final size is 2"x2" but they're panelized onto 10"x10" snappable panels. Email Me if there is any interest. TIA -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist