>From the very inner sanctum of received scientific truth - There's such a fascinating mix of modern science bizzarities here that it's well worth a look. Making things move by observing them. Making things cool by observing them. Heisenberg would do well at Steorn :-) Neanderthals now down to 24000 (not 28000) years from estimates of 100,000 +++ years ago not too long ago. HOWEVER, these were the very last. When the died there were no more. No more recently surviving Neanderthals will ever be discovered. Hookey Walker. Evidence that makes it essentially certain that naturally increasing output of the sun is a or the major contributor to global warming. Stay tuned. More ___________ Latest revision of age of most recent known Neanderthals is now altered to 28,000 years ago, 2000 years more recent than previously believed. Quite apart from directly related issues, anyone who thinks they can date ANYTHING at 28,000 years +/- 2000 years has my nomination for starry eyed optimist of the decade. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6069739 Interestingly, and not at all surprisingly, the estimate seems to have dropped to 24,000 years in the last day. 4000 years in a day is pretty good - Bishop Usher would have certainly have had something to say about that unfortunate coincidence :-). This 24,000 estimate comes from the site of "Nature" which can be considered the horses vocal cords for such things. http://www.nature.com/nature/podcast/index.html Tucked tantalisingly away in the heading it said " ... evidence against solar warming ... ". Ah bliss. Multiple heresies in one subset :-). Part of there Nature 'podcast' for September 14 http://www.nature.com/nature/podcast/v443/n7108/nature-2006-09-14.html Not having and or desiring podcast ability I've had to access the provided transcript. Hooray. 3 for the price of 1 - re Heisenberg uncertainty principle and larger objects - they've just developed telekinesis (actually visikinesis) and not an April 1st in sight. " Keith Schwab: In our experiments that we're working on now, we're actually at this limit where we can start to make something move just by staring at it." -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist