> Maybe I am not a typical engineer, but IMHO the energy prices are *way > too low*. My solution would be very simple: let the prices rise, free > market will adapt. Of course people will, as a result of rising prices > of various goods have to adapt their lifestyles. Better today than > tomorrow. Good proposal because with high energy, the value of engineering skill shall go rocket high too. But before that, there shall be massive wars to reset growth and civilization. Then again, you could be right, because without that there shall be wars also due to scarcity of land due to global warming. While there are X engineers working towards a more environmentally balanced world, there are several factors more engineers work against it. Religion leaders can do much much more than engineers here in a most cost effective mean in reducing wastages, reducing and limiting DEsires, improving environment awareness, and at the same time increasing happiness. So educating and influencing religion leaders are the most effective thing I think. It is not a engineering or technological problem, therefore engineer's impact shall be limited and only give a false safety front which usually worsen the problem. Unlimited desire of Human being is the issue here. Ling SM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist