For one thing a real MCU programmer works out the box
and can WORK with almost ALL varieties of hardware. My
first PIC programmer was with ELCHEAPO. Did not work
when I build it. I believe it was the voltage from the
parallel that cause the INVALID programming voltage.
Almost gave up on MCU entirely. Bought PICStart +
which cost me plenty*Was not aware of Wouter and Olin
during that time*. Now I own 2 programmers....... ICD2
is the one I use currently. 

John

--- Wouter van Ooijen <wouter@voti.nl> wrote:

> > What is, in your opinion, a real programmer?
> 
> IMHO any programmer that uses a PC port in the way
> it was meant to use,
> and derives the Vdd and Vpp in a reliable way. In
> practice this means:
> serial port or USB programmers (I have not seen an
> ethernet progger
> yet), with some intelligence inside.
> 
> Wouter van Ooijen
> 
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