You can use a toggle pin to measure the speed of the programming. Stopwatch is not too accurate...... Blinky led can help you time the programming.. John --- Tamas Rudnai wrote: > I think programming can be measured by a stopwatch. > But who has the time to > measure all the chips (on which chip what programmer > performs better). It > might be an interesting project though to create a > table on wiki for example > and put experiences by contributors, like I have > this and that programmer > and measured the following times on those chips... > The rows would be the > chips while the columns the programmers. > > Other interesting would be the reliability > measurement (and I have no idea > how to do that in a proper way). I suppose some > programmer could leave out > the verification completely for gain speed, however, > that will be > highlighted in the reliability table... some other > production programmer > verifies more than one times in different voltages > as far as I know? > > Tamas > > > On 11/09/06, Wouter van Ooijen > wrote: > > > > > Also as Wouter pointed > > > out to me real > > > USB programmers are faster (that are not using > USB to serial > > > converter IC, > > > but a real USB enabled microcontroller), and I > hope I will > > > not facing to any > > > problems some people reported here. > > > > I think real USB proggers *can* be faster. At > least the pickit1 is much > > slower than a wisp628 + converter. I don't have > good data available to > > say more. > > > > Note that benchmarking proggers is as difficult as > benchmarking CPUs and > > other things. For instance, I recall that Olins > proggers have build-in > > primitives for most PICs they support, but use > more slow pin-wiggling > > commands for a few other chips. Wisp628 uses > build-in primitives for all > > chips it supports, but it supports less chips and > these primitives are > > slower than Olins, but faster than Olins > pin-wiggling. So which one is > > fastest? (I think the answer is: in most cases > Olin's). As always, YMMV! > > > > Wouter van Ooijen > > > > -- ------------------------------------------- > > Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl > > consultancy, development, PICmicro products > > docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu > > > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > > View/change your membership options at > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > > > > > > -- > unPIC -- The PIC Disassembler > http://unpic.sourceforge.net > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist