> PV users) are dependant on the grid for "storage" of the power we > generate > from the solar panels. Batteries are NOT cost effective and the sun > has this > bad habit of going behind the planet... Electrolytic hydrogen. Gasometer storage. Reconvert to electricity using, @@[cough]@@, Stirling or other less efficient technology. Use balance of non reconverted energy for heating. For such static applications a large buried flywheel may be acceptable. English (and no doubt other) stately homes at one stage used a wind up weight system to generate power, powered usually no doubt by servant input. Food to electricity! Such a system may be rendered practical by modern means - electric motor energy mass storage. One Watt second =~ 0.1 kg.m. So to store 1 kWh = 360,000 kg.m. eg 10m x 36 tonne. An annoyingly large amount for about $0.20 worth of electricity. More with inefficiencies. This could be water pumped to a reservoir - entirely practical and actually done on large scale. Only attractive if you have a lake and a hill to hand. "Larnoch Castle" in Dunedin NZ has an interesting structure out-back which is not mentioned except in most peripheral passing in guidebooks etc. On inspection it is clear that they made Methane gas from their own sewage. Don't know if they had a Stirling engine though :-). BTW -James recent query about any one large Stirling engine design that was commercially viable is arguably exampled by those built by the original inventor :-). Russell. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist