I think programming can be measured by a stopwatch. But who has the time to measure all the chips (on which chip what programmer performs better). It might be an interesting project though to create a table on wiki for example and put experiences by contributors, like I have this and that programmer and measured the following times on those chips... The rows would be the chips while the columns the programmers. Other interesting would be the reliability measurement (and I have no idea how to do that in a proper way). I suppose some programmer could leave out the verification completely for gain speed, however, that will be highlighted in the reliability table... some other production programmer verifies more than one times in different voltages as far as I know? Tamas On 11/09/06, Wouter van Ooijen wrote: > > > Also as Wouter pointed > > out to me real > > USB programmers are faster (that are not using USB to serial > > converter IC, > > but a real USB enabled microcontroller), and I hope I will > > not facing to any > > problems some people reported here. > > I think real USB proggers *can* be faster. At least the pickit1 is much > slower than a wisp628 + converter. I don't have good data available to > say more. > > Note that benchmarking proggers is as difficult as benchmarking CPUs and > other things. For instance, I recall that Olins proggers have build-in > primitives for most PICs they support, but use more slow pin-wiggling > commands for a few other chips. Wisp628 uses build-in primitives for all > chips it supports, but it supports less chips and these primitives are > slower than Olins, but faster than Olins pin-wiggling. So which one is > fastest? (I think the answer is: in most cases Olin's). As always, YMMV! > > Wouter van Ooijen > > -- ------------------------------------------- > Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl > consultancy, development, PICmicro products > docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > -- unPIC -- The PIC Disassembler http://unpic.sourceforge.net -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist