> James; you're into this; are there estimates somewhere on just > how much land area it takes to support (energy, significant > quantity of food, etc) each person... A family can pretty largely live off the produce of a 1/4 acre of land. But to do it you have to work at it as your primary concern in life. If you have a "day job" as well it must pretty much come second. I've seen this done, bit I would not want to do it personally. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist