Frank Abbing wrote: > What is, in your opinion, a real programmer? Something that uses the PC interface as it was intended, doesn't not try to cheat by taking power from data lines, doesn't use non-standard voltages that "usually" work, nor try to use handshaking lines outside the communication standard and thereby require a custom driver that is dependent on the operating system and the specific hardware in the PC. Check out my offerings at http://www.embedinc.com/products or Wouter's Wisp628. ****************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, (978) 742-9014. #1 PIC consultant in 2004 program year. http://www.embedinc.com/products -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist