I've bought components from futurlec many times now, all reports (both positive and negative) are true. Your only real option in dealing with them is to have faith and remember how cheap their prices are. Never dealt with their PCB manufacturing, but it sounds like the same deal. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist