>> Current global warming hype is largely hype, boondoggles and
>> pc and politically driven, and fails to note the overwhelming
>> part that natural solar cycles play in what we are presently
>> seeing.

> With Bush et all actively attempting to squash scientific reports of 
> global
> warming, how do you figure this is politically driven? If our best

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Bzzzt.
Must be late.
It is ...

> scientists are saying it is so, why are we arguing?

GW IS happening.
Best indications, based on good historical data,  are that it's the 
sun that's doing it and that "we" are just along for the ride.
BUT we may be supplying the Lorentz butterfly wingflap that pushes the 
system over the edge.
The *fact* that the major tends are consistent with historical 
observation is usually obfuscated or downright excised by those on the 
gravy train.
Would I lie to you?
Do you think I'm joking?
:-)
I'm not.
There is so much "noise" that the good science gets buried. There is 
so much vested interest that even if they are telling the truth they 
probably don't know they are.
I am not, as far s I can tell, a conspiracy theroist ;-).

>> But notwithstanding this, it doesn't mean they aren't
>> right :-). Too many opponents of the current GW bandwagon
>> deride the hoopla while failing to note that there are/may be
>> real risks. *IF* eg the Atlantic Conveyor is as sensitive to
>> atmospheric CO2 concentrations as some suggest it is, and
>> it's looking increasingly likely that they are wrong,

> Huh? Scripture and verse brother... (that is a request for links to
> evidence, for those of you who didn't grow up Christians)

Read de gud book yourself - I've already "Atlantic Conveyor"d the list 
enough in the past that it's not worth doing again. PICLIst archives 
should do fine OR gargoyle. It's all there. If REALLY interested 
advise and I can probably supply some reports.

        "atlantic conveyor" co2   = 9800 Gargoyles.


Ohhhhhhhhhh OK then.
A few:

Worst case theory say that the deep subsurface "Atlantic Conveyor" 
current which keeps North Atlantic including UK and continent 
unnaturally ice free is highly sensitive to atmospheric CO2 
concentrations and that relatively minor rises my cause the current to 
stop very suddenly. Shut down time may be as little as a few years and 
, once stopped, it may take thousands of years to restart. North 
Atlantic would be skateable :-)

This is decades old stuff but few seem to know of it.
Of late I think the "may take hundreds of years to swing" models are 
looking more likely but this subjet is probably even more unknowable 
than the longevity of nuclear waste stores :-).


Example of a "rapid shutdown" theory version

        http://www.wunderground.com/education/abruptclimate.asp

Ice skating in Paris

     http://www.pik-potsdam.de/~stefan/Publications/Other/rahmstorf_newscientist_1997.html

Centuries.

        http://www.jsmf.org/grants/historical/cf/rahmstorf.htm


Heaps more on gargoyle.


        Russell

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