> But that's different from the police simply seizing something that is > supposedly the product of a criminal activity, without being > able to show > that there in fact was any criminal activity. In my simple > logic this says > that if there is no proof of criminal activity, the byproduct > is also not > proven to be of a criminal activity. Sadly it appears that the (western) world is leaving this standard. In my country just being on a list of "terrorist groups" is enough to justify sanctions to an organisation. That list is not compiled in my country, and there is no way to defend yourself against being on that list. I think senator McCarthy lives... Note that I definitely don't say that the various non-western world parts have a higher standard. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist