It is necessary to reduce our liberty to protect our society. If the business is legitimate why hide the details? If you choose to draw attention to yourself in outright defiance you are entitled to a higher level of scrutiny. The majority of the US population is strongly opposed to coddling those who would destroy us because we choose freedom. When things "don't fit" we expect our law enforcement to take the necessary steps to protect the citizens. In these days anything suspicious warrants investigation. We are at war with criminals and terrorists. Violent Crime is down considerably in my state since the Concealed Carry permits have been issued. Many citizens are armed and informed. The pendulum is swinging .... John Ferrell W8CCW "My Competition is not my enemy" http://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerhard Fiedler" To: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Federal Appeals Court: Driving With Money is a Crime ..psi > Jack Smith wrote: > >> As a civil case, many of the rights and restrictions that govern >> criminal cases do not apply--"things" don't have civil rights; only >> people do. >> >> One major difference is the standard of proof. In a criminal case, the >> guilty standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt" but in a civil case, all >> it takes for one side to win is the "preponderance of evidence." When >> you study law, the civil standard is often described as 50% plus the >> weight of a feather on one side or the other. > > Which basically seems to mean that (at least in the US) people don't have > a > right against seizure without being (criminally) guilty of any wrongdoing. > > Is this correct? Anybody knows how this is handled in other countries? I > always was under the (obviously innocent) impression that for the > government (any democratic government) to be able to seize anything from > me, I have to be guilty (beyond reasonable doubt) of /something/. > > Gerhard > > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist